17:00:29 From Tami : Peekaboo, Ezra! :) 17:00:47 From Tami : LOL! 17:01:33 From Tami : yup! 17:03:00 From Nicole Thompson-Andrews : Good. 17:03:02 From Tami : I can 17:05:03 From Hugh Tipping : No, please don't "get serious"... EVER 17:08:29 From Tami : That's really cool, Ezra! 17:08:45 From Tami : Hey, Hugh! 17:11:07 From Tami : My metaphor is (from the hero's journey): the meeting with the goddess. Only it's my journey to connect with my inner goddess of creativity, seeking direction for the future and building a new writing discipline. 17:11:47 From Nicole Thompson-Andrews : Feeling a bit blocked on my prequel. 17:11:58 From Tami : My current genre is YA; I'm doing some editing on a NaNo novel, but trying to feel more connected to my work. 17:12:06 From Hugh Tipping : (Hey, Tami!) 17:13:13 From Tami : You sound a little more quiet than usual. 17:13:34 From Hugh Tipping : 3,500 words?! WHOAH! 17:14:36 From Tami : Woohoo! Nice word count, Beth! Were you writing in Starbucks? I can picture the scene: amid the chaos, a patron shouts, "That lady's keyboard is on fire!" ^_^ 17:15:10 From Hugh Tipping : TRISH! 17:19:46 From Hugh Tipping : Ah, Leo 17:19:54 From Tami : Leo!! 17:20:09 From Patricia : I love his toothy grin! 17:21:18 From Nicole Thompson-Andrews : The writing. 17:22:22 From Nicole Thompson-Andrews : Maybe. 17:22:30 From Patricia : I tell myself I'm going to reread some part of what I just wrote, maybe change one sentence, but no pressure. Well, I've never stopped with just one sentence. 17:25:06 From Nicole Thompson-Andrews : I've got a female pedophile who has just told er young victim that his parents don't care about him and she claims she has a letter. That's as far as I got. 17:25:40 From Patricia : A letter that proves her point? 17:25:43 From Nicole Thompson-Andrews : Yes. 17:26:02 From Patricia : Has she played best friend to him for a while so he might trust her? 17:26:41 From Nicole Thompson-Andrews : The letter is suppose to prove her point. She ends up forcing him into marrying him 17:27:42 From Patricia : Ah, is she forcing him or tricking him into thinking he's doing someting noble by falling into her trap? Is is feeling uncomfortable about the marriage? 17:28:59 From Nicole Thompson-Andrews : The prequel leads up to the first chapter which is years later. The prequel ends with them abducting the infant that they abuse. 17:29:09 From Patricia : Think about Snow White and the evil queen who tricks her into eating a poison apple. Same type of story just a different gender for the victim. 17:30:10 From Patricia : Yep, Snow White is adopted against her will too, she gets an evil stepmother. 17:30:42 From Nicole Thompson-Andrews : Two years before the abduction which takes on another planet. The victims parents are both lightning millers. 17:31:27 From Patricia : So is the abduction and abuse to torture the parents through the child? 17:31:29 From Nicole Thompson-Andrews : Yes, lightning is milled as oppose to our version of electricity. 17:32:46 From Patricia : Nicole you have rich set of circumstances to play with, lots of options. 17:33:57 From Nicole Thompson-Andrews : Part of the main book is the diary of the abducted infant who they claim is there own. The what if game sounds good. 17:35:51 From Nicole Thompson-Andrews : I posted my outline to facebook. 17:36:37 From Patricia : Even if the parents are vile and abusive, the child will have an attachment. In many ways if can be a bit more evil if they are mildly abusive but get the child to form the attachment with the belief the actual parents are evil. If the goal is punish the real parents raising the child to tolally reject them, even hunt them down to kill or punish them for the imagined sins can make a tense, tragic sotryline. 17:38:03 From Tami : I see you! 17:38:16 From Hugh Tipping : I can see you if I click speaker view. Then you're in a little box in the upper right of my fullscreen 17:41:47 From Nicole Thompson-Andrews : I love brainstorming, I do it all the time on Twitter with one particular member. 17:42:07 From Nicole Thompson-Andrews : Drawing people into your book world. 17:43:50 From Nicole Thompson-Andrews : I bought a book called The Author Reveneue Ladder. I have a list from thatbook, but would love to add more. Ar we talking about price points? 17:44:54 From Patricia : After I've finished my reference and research reading I'll add "The Author Revenue Ladder" to my list. 17:47:21 From Patricia : I've got quite a bookmark collection! 17:47:50 From Tami : I think promo items can also give your books an added sense of credibility or popularity to readers. If it has swag it must be hot! 17:48:24 From Nicole Thompson-Andrews : Both. 17:48:39 From Tami : I worked as a toy department manager and even the toys for movies that kids weren't really interested in, parents would still buy like crazy, assuming it was the big thing. 17:50:44 From Patricia : I know this isn't a direct pre-book giveaway but I'm more likely to buy the 2nd book if the 1st has and opening chapter at the end. 17:51:17 From Patricia : That's "an" opening chapter for the 2nd book at the end of the 1st. 17:53:08 From Nicole Thompson-Andrews : When I was studying with D'vorah Lansky, we talked about recipe cards and tribal items, as this universe is tribal, and I wriite Intergalactic Culinary thrillers. 17:53:26 From Tami : To Patricia's suggestion, what about a small print book with that chapter for the next book as a promo item when you're marketing the first one? Would that work? 17:53:54 From Patricia : I think I could get into recieving a complementary chapter as a promo. 17:54:31 From Tami : I think it would be a cool addition to your book table at an event, an exclusive chapter for the next book. 17:55:19 From Patricia : This isn't a giveaway, but I have a friend who got her bookcover on her hard case luggage rolling bag so when she walks through an airport you can see her book cover. 17:55:40 From Nicole Thompson-Andrews : I thought about t-shirts, but they'd need to be made of animal hides. 17:55:44 From Tami : Ah! So a gift with pre-order. Good plan! 17:56:34 From Nadine Travers : Hi everyone!! 17:56:35 From Patricia : I like the idea of shopping bags 17:56:49 From Tami : Ooh! That is cool, Patricia! 17:57:06 From Tami : Hey Nadine! Bon soir, mon ami! 17:57:39 From Nicole Thompson-Andrews : Tribal items like some kind of beaded item. 17:57:42 From Nadine Travers : Just arrived from karate training 17:58:18 From Patricia : You could defintely get your book cover on a travel tag. 17:59:39 From Patricia : For that matter as advertising, or as a giveaway you can take your books, now don't panic it will mean destroying a copy or two, and convert them etsy upcycle style into purses or e-book covers. 17:59:44 From Ezra Barany's iPad : zazzle.com 17:59:54 From Ezra Barany's iPad : vistaprint.com 18:00:20 From Patricia : I'll post a link in the group 18:00:31 From Nicole Thompson-Andrews : They make there own things, not sure if a pen would work. 18:01:21 From Patricia : Yes that's what you do, you take the cover, take out the guts, and make it into an e-book cover if it's the right size, or make a purse or accordian wallet with the cover as the outside of the accessory. 18:01:32 From Nicole Thompson-Andrews : You could create a companion cookbook. 18:01:57 From Patricia : Oh a companion cookbook is a great idea if there are recipes in your book. 18:02:09 From Patricia : Hats 18:02:19 From Patricia : Hats and baseball caps 18:03:17 From Patricia : How about a dragon for the dragonslayer? 18:03:48 From Nadine Travers : I'm create right now missing case person for my character they jump in the pass to give my reader more thing about them 18:04:35 From Nicole Thompson-Andrews : I have the recipes in an appendix, so that shouldn't be difficult. 18:05:05 From Nadine Travers : yep 18:05:43 From Nadine Travers : Yeah!! AD&D 18:05:54 From Beth Barany : Character trading cards 18:06:28 From Patricia : A tarot set for supernatural story lines 18:06:28 From Nadine Travers : Advance Dungeon and Dragon :) 18:06:45 From Tami : Ooh, Nadine! Character tarot cards! 18:06:55 From Nadine Travers : Also another thing 18:07:08 From Beth Barany : cafepress.com 18:07:32 From Hugh Tipping : I've used cafepress before. It's amazing 18:07:45 From Beth Barany : Zozzle.com 18:07:47 From Hugh Tipping : zazzle also. 18:07:48 From Hugh Tipping : yes 18:07:56 From Nicole Thompson-Andrews : The universe is also a barter society. Also, careers are in a cast system. Not sure if items could come from that. 18:08:50 From Patricia : If you make up a game for your story, and the characters play it, and the story sells, then you can market the game. NO ONE ever heard of 3-D chess before Star Trek, you can get the sets everywhere now, and Quiddich you can buy golden snitch necklaces. 18:09:48 From Patricia : travel mugs 18:10:14 From Nicole Thompson-Andrews : I want to create a board game. 18:12:11 From Nadine Travers : what we call buffer... we do it also in budget for finance 18:12:13 From Nicole Thompson-Andrews : Exchange items depend on what you're asking for, and what you can offer. That could be a product like a ring or a service like grooming unicorns. 18:12:46 From Tami : Spreadshirt.com is another good site for promo items. 18:13:14 From Beth Barany : Nicole, great list. What else? Come with 10-20 items for barter. 18:13:20 From Beth Barany : Cool, Tami! 18:13:25 From Nicole Thompson-Andrews : One of the planets, Yemora is an audio-only society. No writing system. 18:13:56 From Beth Barany : Cool, Nicole! How do they store the audio? 18:15:18 From Nicole Thompson-Andrews : I also want to create an audio and visual rpg game. 18:16:11 From Nadine Travers : YEAH!!! 18:16:30 From Beth Barany : Nicole, great idea@ 18:16:32 From Beth Barany : ! 18:17:23 From Tami : Nicole, I can help you with that. I've written a ton of my own RPGs and LARPs if you need resources. :) 18:17:51 From Nadine Travers : I was dungeon master for a few years too 18:18:05 From Tami : Yes live action. :) 18:18:20 From Tami : Ah Nadine! You aussi! Tres bien! 18:18:36 From Tami : I LOVED being a Dungeon Master! 18:19:02 From Patricia : You could attach a book mark to a little bag with multi side dice in them for games if your readers readers are super geeky they'll love that. 18:19:03 From Nadine Travers : Me too.. but now with the video game you can play without see other people 18:19:09 From Hugh Tipping : Next steps: finish the book breakdown! 18:19:44 From Nadine Travers : Edit time travel book 3 and write book 4 to finish that series!!!! 18:19:54 From Tami : Ah-has: great ideas for swag (like the tarot card and exclusive pre-order chapter book). Next steps: still soul searching, so I'm not sure. :) 18:20:44 From Nadine Travers : 3 weeks 18:20:59 From Patricia : The gift bags and dice are very cheap so are the bookmarks so giving that stuff at cons will work 18:21:35 From Nicole Thompson-Andrews : One of the planet, Yemora, is an audio-only society, no writing system. 18:21:45 From Tami : You may be able to get custom dice made as well if there's a symbol or logo with your books. Which would be a great grand prize. 18:21:56 From Nicole Thompson-Andrews : Next step, try the what-if game. 18:22:22 From Patricia : Ohh, custom dice cool! 18:22:24 From Beth Barany : http://coaching.bethbarany.com/ JAN 20th 9pm 18:23:32 From Beth Barany : Feb. editing class: http://30daywritingchallengefornovelists.bethbarany.com/ 18:23:42 From Nicole Thompson-Andrews : Wow, custom dice. There are symbols on the houses instead of adresses for all planets. 18:23:43 From Tami : I want to say the site is Q Workskhop.com. (For custom dice.) 18:24:11 From Hugh Tipping : It's a "foo dog" 18:24:22 From Tami : Ooh! Beth, okay, now I gotta show you pictures of my dragon shelf. :) 18:24:29 From Nicole Thompson-Andrews : Yemora is a dragon culture, so lots of dragon items. 18:24:31 From Patricia : Foo dog, the others are dragons. The lion was extra cool 18:25:06 From Hugh Tipping : foo dog 18:25:07 From Patricia : Foo dog I mean Leo the lion 18:26:11 From Nicole Thompson-Andrews : Ebooks, that's what I collect. Ask Smashwords. 18:26:19 From Tami : http://q-workshop.com/customdice for those interested. 18:27:59 From Nadine Travers : Nice meet all of you... but this was my last online with you!! but we will see you on FB :) 18:28:03 From Nicole Thompson-Andrews : Custom dice. Instead of street adresses, there are symbols. 18:28:34 From Hugh Tipping : Waving to you, Nadine! 18:28:45 From Tami : We'll miss you, Nadine! Don't be a stranger! 18:29:30 From Tami : Goodnight all!